tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4289345346387194350.post8720545663472786912..comments2023-06-24T10:52:34.846-04:00Comments on EducateHilliard.com: Hilliard Schools for Hilliard PeoplePaulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05960574627644930183noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4289345346387194350.post-34161841857297456202008-03-01T17:28:00.000-05:002008-03-01T17:28:00.000-05:00KJ:I did a little back-of-the-envelope analysis of...KJ:<BR/><BR/>I did a little back-of-the-envelope <A HREF="http://savethehilliardschools.blogspot.com/2007/08/who-pays-for-educating-immigrant-kids.html" REL="nofollow">analysis </A>of this last fall, and came to the conclusion that the problem is not so much that the kids use English as a second language as it is that there are just a lot of them.<BR/><BR/>In other words, the incremental cost of the ELL tutors is substantially paid for with specific state and federal funding for that purpose.<BR/><BR/>Of course, one could argue that only the immigrant families occupy multi-family housing to that kind of density. By far, the more typical resident of an apartment complex is young folks without kids.<BR/><BR/>And that argument has some merit. But there is some prediction that while the housing and credit markets are screwed up, more non-immigrant families become likely to rent. Renting an apartment is a cheap buy-in to a great school system, and I think there should be a reasonable amount of affordable housing in the school district.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, all I'm doing is encouraging people to not overreact. These things have a way of going in cycles. In particular, many of these ELL kids will be English fluent in short order. We feel the stress because of the relatively sudden upswing in ELL kids. That might be a phenomenon not repeated for a while.<BR/><BR/>PLPaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05960574627644930183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4289345346387194350.post-52500020135293305872008-03-01T10:34:00.000-05:002008-03-01T10:34:00.000-05:00Funny, I was just talking about this with someone ...Funny, I was just talking about this with someone the other day. I appreciate the facts on this. <BR/><BR/>One question: In addition to the imbalance (in this case, apartments built in Columbus that send kids to Hilliard schools), isn't win-win also a net loss for the district due to increase "special services" for children? <B>NOTE: I am making one MAJOR assumption here which may or may not be true, but please recognizie this is a hypothetical question.</B>..... That assumption is that a large portion of our non-english speaking students come from the Columbus win-win (not the townships mind you, but Columbus)<BR/><BR/>One of the largest increases in operating costs to the Hilliard School District in the last 10 years has been in the hiring of "special" teachers, namely ELL teachers and intervention teachers. In addition to a potential net-negative impact due to imbalance of property and commercial taxes from Columbus, is it fair to say that our costs have been further impacted by the increase in such teachers necessitated by the increasing number of ELL students being pumped into our district by the Columbus annex portion of the HSD?<BR/><BR/>Again, it's a theory at this point as I have no data for my argument. But it is a question I am asking, as Paul routinely asks why we have had a 1.8 increase of non-classroom teaching positions as a ratio of student growth over the last 10 years. This is one potential explanation.<BR/><BR/>If this is correct, then isn't the win-win even more of a net negative? <BR/><BR/>Anyone have any data or knowledge that could shed light on my theory?KJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08742741131942481773noreply@blogger.com